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 == Introduction ==
 As with the other color-specific guides, this guide is not intended as a 'instant hall' guide, but instead to serve as a tool to help you gain basic and intermediate abilities and understandings of a color. Also much like the other color-specific guides, this guide is intended to be a 'general green guide' and I will not dive into the more specific or complex specialist strategies available to verdant. Even though this guide is written after the introduction of "Skills", they will not be discussed during this guide (as it is written based on 'pre-skills' information), this is for consistency and simplicity among these color guides.
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 '''Note 4''' The stacks I gave are samples (I purposely gave 'close', but not 'exact' replicas of stacks I commonly use, just variants along the same technique). Experiment and find stackings you enjoy, and even other stacking METHODS you enjoy (I introduced one 'method' used to develop stacks here, I show others in my other guides, and there are even more yet by other players). The key is knowing your purposes (green can easily shift to counterstack ANY color with the method I showed, and there are others out there that can perform this duty just as well).
-Good Luck and have fun (Verdant is a fun color to play, and while there are some widely different strategies for green, this is the one I found the most successful for me when I was first getting a grasp on green, as well as when I was seriously attempting to learn green more in-depth). Give me a message if you see anything I missed, or is needed, in any of my FAQs/Guides, also another useful read if you're interested in Verdant is [[Roxton's Simple Tips|Roxton's Verdant Tips]] - Signed, [[User:Alzorath|Alzorath]] 09:48, 6 January 2007 (CET)
+Good Luck and have fun (Verdant is a fun color to play, and while there are some widely different strategies for green, this is the one I found the most successful for me when I was first getting a grasp on green, as well as when I was seriously attempting to learn green more in-depth). Another useful read if you're interested in Verdant is [[Roxton's Simple Tips|Roxton's Verdant Tips]].
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	Good Luck and have fun (Verdant is a fun color to play, and while there are some widely different strategies for green, this is the one I found the most successful for me when I was first getting a grasp on green, as well as when I was seriously attempting to learn green more in-depth). Give me a message if you see anything I missed, or is needed, in any of my FAQs/Guides, also another useful read if you're interested in Verdant is [[Roxton's Simple Tips\|Roxton's Verdant Tips]] - Signed, [[User:Alzorath\|Alzorath]] 09:48, 6 January 2007 (CET)		Good Luck and have fun (Verdant is a fun color to play, and while there are some widely different strategies for green, this is the one I found the most successful for me when I was first getting a grasp on green, as well as when I was seriously attempting to learn green more in-depth). Give me a message if you see anything I missed, or is needed, in any of my FAQs/Guides, also another useful read if you're interested in Verdant is [[Roxton's Simple Tips\|Roxton's Verdant Tips]] - Signed, [[User:Alzorath\|Alzorath]] 09:48, 6 January 2007 (CET)
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	'''Note 4''' The stacks I gave are samples (I purposely gave 'close', but not 'exact' replicas of stacks I commonly use, just variants along the same technique). Experiment and find stackings you enjoy, and even other stacking METHODS you enjoy (I introduced one 'method' used to develop stacks here, I show others in my other guides, and there are even more yet by other players). The key is knowing your purposes (green can easily shift to counterstack ANY color with the method I showed, and there are others out there that can perform this duty just as well).		'''Note 4''' The stacks I gave are samples (I purposely gave 'close', but not 'exact' replicas of stacks I commonly use, just variants along the same technique). Experiment and find stackings you enjoy, and even other stacking METHODS you enjoy (I introduced one 'method' used to develop stacks here, I show others in my other guides, and there are even more yet by other players). The key is knowing your purposes (green can easily shift to counterstack ANY color with the method I showed, and there are others out there that can perform this duty just as well).

−	Good Luck and have fun (Verdant is a fun color to play, and while there are some widely different strategies for green, this is the one I found the most successful for me when I was first getting a grasp on green, as well as when I was seriously attempting to learn green more in-depth). Give me a message if you see anything I missed, or is needed, in any of my FAQs/Guides, also another useful read if you're interested in Verdant is [[Roxton's Simple Tips\|Roxton's Verdant Tips]] - [[User:Alzorath\|Alzorath]] 09:48, 6 January 2007 (CET)	+	Good Luck and have fun (Verdant is a fun color to play, and while there are some widely different strategies for green, this is the one I found the most successful for me when I was first getting a grasp on green, as well as when I was seriously attempting to learn green more in-depth). Give me a message if you see anything I missed, or is needed, in any of my FAQs/Guides, also another useful read if you're interested in Verdant is [[Roxton's Simple Tips\|Roxton's Verdant Tips]] - Signed, [[User:Alzorath\|Alzorath]] 09:48, 6 January 2007 (CET)

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	'''Note 4''' The stacks I gave are samples (I purposely gave 'close', but not 'exact' replicas of stacks I commonly use, just variants along the same technique). Experiment and find stackings you enjoy, and even other stacking METHODS you enjoy (I introduced one 'method' used to develop stacks here, I show others in my other guides, and there are even more yet by other players). The key is knowing your purposes (green can easily shift to counterstack ANY color with the method I showed, and there are others out there that can perform this duty just as well).		'''Note 4''' The stacks I gave are samples (I purposely gave 'close', but not 'exact' replicas of stacks I commonly use, just variants along the same technique). Experiment and find stackings you enjoy, and even other stacking METHODS you enjoy (I introduced one 'method' used to develop stacks here, I show others in my other guides, and there are even more yet by other players). The key is knowing your purposes (green can easily shift to counterstack ANY color with the method I showed, and there are others out there that can perform this duty just as well).

−	Good Luck and have fun (Verdant is a fun color to play, and while there are some widely different strategies for green, this is the one I found the most successful for me when I was first getting a grasp on green, as well as when I was seriously attempting to learn green more in-depth). Give me a message if you see anything I missed, or is needed, in any of my FAQs/Guides - [[User:Alzorath\|Alzorath]] 09:48, 6 January 2007 (CET)	+	Good Luck and have fun (Verdant is a fun color to play, and while there are some widely different strategies for green, this is the one I found the most successful for me when I was first getting a grasp on green, as well as when I was seriously attempting to learn green more in-depth). Give me a message if you see anything I missed, or is needed, in any of my FAQs/Guides, also another useful read if you're interested in Verdant is [[Roxton's Simple Tips\|Roxton's Verdant Tips]] - [[User:Alzorath\|Alzorath]] 09:48, 6 January 2007 (CET)

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	== Closing Notes ==		== Closing Notes ==
		+	'''Note 1''' Barriers are extremely useful for greens, imeasurably more when at war (because of Serenity). With a lot of low, 1 initiative units a web of spider woman or a cast of "Slow" by a blue can easily ruin your defense if you don't use ash (and frankly, while ash is nice - it's not always the best choice for an item).
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		+	'''Note 2''' Many greens ignore the potency of their simple spells (especially Web of Spider Woman) as tools to be used on both offense and defense when the situation warrants it. It is THE cheapest way to completely stop an enemy's treants if they don't use Ash of invisibility for example. Just because Rust Armor and Call Hurricane are mentioned the most in the forums does not mean they are your only choices (in fact at 20k mana a pop, you may not want to bother trying to use them against a high-barrier opponent, where as at 600 mana, web is cheap enough to not really worry about).
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		+	'''Note 3''' Green has many very powerful enchantments, and while mostly they don't stand out as much as plant growth, they all can greatly help your kingdom. Do some research on your enchantments and decide which ones will help you accomplish your goals with your stacks. (All green enchantments serve a purpose for verdant, don't pass one up just because others ignore it - examples: Sunray adds a decent chance to block phantasm & nether spells, and only costs 100 mana to upkeep, and Nature's Lore, while primarily known for its explore bonus boosts elves greatly - so if you're using a 7% stack of Elven Magicians and a 6% stack of druids - that's 13% of your army getting a good accuracy and damage boost).
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		+	'''Note 4''' The stacks I gave are samples (I purposely gave 'close', but not 'exact' replicas of stacks I commonly use, just variants along the same technique). Experiment and find stackings you enjoy, and even other stacking METHODS you enjoy (I introduced one 'method' used to develop stacks here, I show others in my other guides, and there are even more yet by other players). The key is knowing your purposes (green can easily shift to counterstack ANY color with the method I showed, and there are others out there that can perform this duty just as well).
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		+	Good Luck and have fun (Verdant is a fun color to play, and while there are some widely different strategies for green, this is the one I found the most successful for me when I was first getting a grasp on green, as well as when I was seriously attempting to learn green more in-depth). Give me a message if you see anything I missed, or is needed, in any of my FAQs/Guides - [[User:Alzorath\|Alzorath]] 09:48, 6 January 2007 (CET)

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 <br>At 100 mp upkeep, Sunray is a very powerful, very cheap, enchantment (giving you a light nether/phantasm spell resistance for your kingdom), especially useful when at war to help block 1 of the most deadly spells: Confuse and Death & Decay.
 <br>Plant Growth, at spell level 428, will increase your treefolk primary attack, counter, and life by +228%, essential if you want to use Treants, Mandrakes, or Creeping Vines.
 <br>Serenity will attempt to randomly dispel spells off of a target (it'll sometimes dispel nothing, even when it passes barriers), it's very dangerous against treefolk greens, and is a very powerful tool in war.
 <br>+% boosts to units (such as potion of valor) are all based on 'base' values, so for treefolk, with plant growth they have +228% Primary attack, potion of valor with its +30% would only increase that to +258% (you're probably better off with a candle in that case).

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	== Stacking Example ==		== Stacking Example ==
		+	Stacking with green, can be quite varied, and many combinations can work depending on your land, such as all-flying, shallow, deep, or mono stackings of a wide variety of forms. In this guide we'll go through a common breakdown method used in green stacking, that is breaking your stack down into 3 sections: Useable Top Stacks, Heavy Mid-stacks, and Ranged Bottom Stacks. I use this method to keep my stack varying day to day (to keep it from becoming overly predictable), making my casting efficiency better (by allowing me to just summon clusters and not have to worry about disbanding as much, if at all after you get used to green's summon rates), and still remaining stronger than when I've tried to do this with any other color (the other colors just don't categorize as easily). This is also my attempt to add a "remember to be flexible" note to my guides by not including a specific "A/B/C/D/E/F/G" stacking list like I did on the Nether, Phantasm, and Eradication guides, instead we're going to cover this as a "chill out and let the pieces land where they want" stacking (which is easiest to learn as green because the easy categorization for the most part).
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		+	While some people's 'groupings' may vary, here's examples where I place them and a short description as to what is sought after in each the groups:
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		+	'''Useable Top Stacks''': These are units you can rely on to deal a good amount of damage, and usually more than they take. There aren't any perfect units, but these are your "best of the best" - units like Treants, Phoenix, and Earth Elementals.
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		+	'''Heavy Mid-stacks''': These are your units that aren't really the "best", but do serve purposes such as pushing your ranged units down (Griffons), providing some good damage output (Mandrakes, Werebears, Salamanders), or providing a 'special purpose' against a color you're hunting (Hydra, Assassins, Swanmays), the "special purpose" obviously being not one that you tend to use very often.
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		+	'''Ranged Bottom Stacks''': The powerful ranged units of green deserve their own group (in my opinion), and since you get them easily from Nature's Favor and Barracks - you can rely on many of them. Usually I try and put the 2 sturdier ranged options towards the top of this group (Efreeti, Nymph), and then pack in the softer units in behind them (Elven Magicians, Druids, Dryads). You can also include Soul Speakers and Renegade Wizards in this category if you enjoy using them. Some people swear by large power in these (easily 7% in a single stack), while others prefer to keep them as fakes/fatigues (around 0.1%).
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		+	Obviously you can't use ALL of the stacks listed there, and you may want to add some of your own to the groups, so you choose which ones fit your mindset this week, and start summoning. The key to using this is to, for the most part, not care where in the group the units are, so much as where in the stack the groups are (only exception to this may be Efreeti in the ranged stacks, if you use them you want them to be the TOP ranged stack usually cause they're so durable).
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		+	Top / Middle / Ranged
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		+	This means that using my lists you could end up with:
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		+	Phoenix/Earth Elemental/Treant/Mandrake/Hydra/Werebear/Nymph/Elvish Magician/Druid/Dryad
		+	<br>or<br>
		+	Phoenix/Treant/Earth Elemental/Mandrake/Werebear/Efreeti/Nymph/Elvish Magician/Dryad/Soul Speaker
		+	<br>or<br>
		+	Treant/Phoenix/Earth Elemental/Werebear/Mandrake/Efreeti/Nymph/Druid/Elvish Magician/Dryad
		+	<br>or<br>
		+	Treant/Phoenix/Mandrake/Efreeti (as a 'midstack')/Werebear/Swanmay/Hell Hound/Nymph/Dryad/Elvish Magician
		+	<br>etc.
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		+	Each strong vs its own opponent, and once you get used to it - you can change targets as you run based on what your stack changes to throughout the run. All of those are 'useable' against a different color, but all that varied is maybe a fraction of a % between each stack (as one got a lucky summon, while another was a little low), especially with the first 3 examples (only slight unit changes).
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		+	With green, you also have to consider assignments, the "reliable and common" ones are listed up in the spells section, but don't forget that with all of your on-color melee, you can also utilize spells like Sword of Light and Flameblade greatly (you just run the risk of the spell failing to cast). Green may have to rely mostly on its own color units (as much or more than even white, which is notorious for using mostly on-color units), but that doesn't mean you lack in the ability to change your focus greatly without compramising your stacking.

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 <br>Web of the Spider Woman + The Spider's Web: -2 Initiative to 1 stack (provided it doesn't resist the spell), -1 initiative to the rest, this is especially powerful vs other greens, and is essentially a weaker (but still useful) version of Slow + The Spider's Web used by blues.
 <br>Enlarge Animal + Ring of Animal Command: What more can be said, except that it makes your animals big.
 Examples of Good Complimentary-Goal Combinations:
 <br>Call Hurricane + Ash of Invisibility: Brings most flying units down, and gives them -1 initiative (only a few units have good verdant resistance), and lets your units strike first.
 <br>Rust Armor + Carpet of Flying: Reduces enemy melee resistance (most units won't resist verdant magic - however a few will), and makes your units fly - thus avoiding a lot of attacks, and the reduced enemy melee resistance will help you do signifigant damage.
 Examples of Bad One-Goal Combinations:
 <br>Can't think of any at the time of writing this guide.
 Examples of Bad Multi-Goal Combinations (opposing/interfering goals):
 <br>Regeneration + Satchel of Mist: By Reducing losses, you reduce the amount you heal. This will protect your units somewhat, but it's much more effective to either healing OR accuracy reduction.
 <br>Rust Armor + Satchel of Mist: Stick with one goal: either deal damage, or soak damage - don't try and do both because Satchel of Mist also reduces YOUR accuracy (making it counterproductive to the purpose of Rust Armor).
 Some Commonly Used 'good' Combinations (this is a short-list to get you started, there are many other worthwhile combinations, but I'll leave them for you to discover on your own):
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 <br>Call Hurricane + Ash of Invisibility: -1 initiative to enemy fliers dropped by this spell, units hit by it can't gain flying (so it negates carpet), and all your units are set to 6 initiative.
 <br>Call Hurricane + Candle of Sleeping: Great for use with your ultimate units (Earth Elementals and Phoenix) because it plays to their strengths and abilities, dangerous for people to hit into if you're using a lot of power in your ultimates.
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