War Formulae from the Ronin Assassins - Revision history

Arathorn: dispelling enchantments conjecture irrelevant

2008-09-22T07:03:11Z

dispelling enchantments conjecture irrelevant

Arathorn: cutting the fluff that was from the original UBB post

2008-09-22T06:56:27Z

cutting the fluff that was from the original UBB post

Sammael: added links

2008-03-04T00:47:35Z

added links

Arathorn at 17:06, 30 January 2006

2006-01-30T17:06:42Z

Arathorn at 17:02, 30 January 2006

2006-01-30T17:02:47Z

Arathorn at 13:58, 30 January 2006

2006-01-30T13:58:24Z

Arathorn at 13:58, 30 January 2006

2006-01-30T13:58:05Z

Ninarx: /* Resources taken through Pillage */

2006-01-30T13:27:35Z

‎Resources taken through Pillage

Ninarx at 13:26, 30 January 2006

2006-01-30T13:26:46Z

Ninarx at 13:24, 30 January 2006

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 After a mage has had 10% of their acres razed by pillages he or she enters pillage protection.
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 '''Written by Arathorn, edited by Ninarx'''
-Hello all. The following is basically all of the confirmed useful basic war formulas that the [[Ronin Assassins]] have found. For a little background on Ronin, we've basically been one of the prime war guilds on apprentice since AM days, and while it's debateable whether we wrote the book on app war or not, it's certain that we sold the most copies. In the [[Ronin Assassins]], we've always just been about having fun and supporting all members in whatever ways they enjoy playing the game. Many of us found in TR that we enjoyed trying to uncover game formulas, so we started just started digging and plugging away at stuff.
+The following is basically all of the confirmed useful basic war formulas that the [[Ronin Assassins]] have found. For a little background on Ronin, we've basically been one of the prime war guilds on apprentice since AM days. In the [[Ronin Assassins]], we've always just been about having fun and supporting all members in whatever ways they enjoy playing the game. Many of us found in TR that we enjoyed trying to uncover game formulas, so we started just started digging and plugging away at stuff.
 Now some of these formulas may be (and probably are) known by other guilds out there. But we feel that these should be available to anyone who wants them, to be able to compete on a more equal footing. Now I wouldn't be as foolish to say that everyone will do better in war knowing some game formulas. On the contrary, loads of great war players do not care about formulas at all and play by "feel" alone. But some people can make great use out of formulas, and anyone can benefit from at least having access to them. We leave it up to you to make as much of the following formulas as you please.
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 ===DISCLAIMER===
-This post contains straight up game formulas. If you're like many of us and really enjoy figuring out these sort of things on your own or with friends and guildmates, perhaps this thread is not for you. We'll simply give you the fish, you can decide if you want to learn to fish or not.
+This post contains straight up game formulas. If you're like many of us and really enjoy figuring out these sort of things on your own or with friends and guildmates, perhaps this thread is not for you.
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 == Stealing a Fort ==

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	However, new research on dispelling may be leading us to believe that this may end up being shown as simply superstition. Stuff like dispelling confuse with 0 mp reasonably consistantly, etc. Time will tell.		However, new research on dispelling may be leading us to believe that this may end up being shown as simply superstition. Stuff like dispelling confuse with 0 mp reasonably consistantly, etc. Time will tell.
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 This post contains straight up game formulas. If you're like many of us and really enjoy figuring out these sort of things on your own or with friends and guildmates, perhaps this thread is not for you. We'll simply give you the fish, you can decide if you want to learn to fish or not.
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 == Stealing a Fort ==
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 Minimum amount of surviving troops needed for a definite fort steal = (target's land rounded up to the nearest multiple of 50) + 50
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 == Destroying Extra Forts==
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 -39: 3 extra <br>
 etc.
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 == Taking Maximum Land ==
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 Troops needed to take max(5%) land: 2.5 * (target's land)
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 == Stealing an Item with Pillage ==
 Troops needed to steal an item on a successful pillage = 50 * (target's land) / (power rank of unit used)
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 == Resources taken through Pillage ==
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 % Gold stolen = (1/5) * % of towns destroyed
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 == Buildings destroyed through Pillage ==
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 Here you can easily see that if you want a full pillage, you need to use 200 * target's land as the NP of your stack. If you desire to only burn a portion of a full pillage, scale down your NP accordingly. As well, you can see that the maximum number of farms you can destroy in a pillage is 60, towns 25, etc.
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 == Pillage Protection ==
 After a mage has had 10% of their acres razed by pillages he or she enters pillage protection.
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 == Dispelling offensive enchantments ==

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 == Stealing a Fort ==
-Unfortunately, this is one of the most important formulas, but seems to be the toughest to figure out. Currently this is still unknown, and the most recent discussion on it was brought public already here.
+Huge kudos to Pi/Optima from ROM for piecing together the final solution to this equation. So simple in the end, but the appearance of a (seemingly) random rounding factor threw everyone for a loop.
-However, for general purposes in the normal catfishing range (1k-2k)where minimum troop number for fort steal is an issue, we have narrowed the gap down significantly to a good estimate figure.
+===On siege===
-===On siege===
+Minimum amount of surviving troops needed for a possible fort steal = (target's land rounded up to the nearest multiple of 50)
-Surviving troops needed to steal a fort = 1.125 * (target's land)
+Minimum amount of surviving troops needed for a definite fort steal = (target's land rounded up to the nearest multiple of 50) + 50
 == Destroying Extra Forts==

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 By 'extra forts', I mean the extra forts after the initial stolen fort. Since the max land you can take on a siege is 10%, there is a maximum number of extra forts you can destroy, based on how many they currently have:
--9: you can't destroy any extras
+-9: you can't destroy any extras <br>
 -19: 1 extra <br>
 -29: 2 extra <br>

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 -9: you can't destroy any extras
--19: 1 extra
+-19: 1 extra <br>
--29: 2 extra
+-29: 2 extra <br>
--39: 3 extra
+-39: 3 extra <br>
 etc.
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 (maximum X value is 1...basically it marks the portion of each building type destroyed).
-Farms burned = round_down(X * 60)
+Farms burned = round_down(X * 60) <br>
-Towns burned = round_down(X * 25)
+Towns burned = round_down(X * 25) <br>
-Workshops burned = round_down(X * 10)
+Workshops burned = round_down(X * 10) <br>
-Guilds burned = round_down(X * 5)
+Guilds burned = round_down(X * 5) <br>
 Here you can easily see that if you want a full pillage, you need to use 200 * target's land as the NP of your stack. If you desire to only burn a portion of a full pillage, scale down your NP accordingly. As well, you can see that the maximum number of farms you can destroy in a pillage is 60, towns 25, etc.

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	% Gold stolen = (1/5) * % of towns destroyed		% Gold stolen = (1/5) * % of towns destroyed
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	== Buildings destroyed through Pillage ==		== Buildings destroyed through Pillage ==